Leadership, inclusion and change programs built with global technology, transport, aviation and telecommunications organisations, so leaders practise the conversation before they have it.
The moment
A team leader at a telco has a probation conversation in the morning with someone she likes. She has read the policy twice and still does not know how to open. If it goes badly he leaves in the spring, HR asks what she said, and the rest of the team hears their own version of it.
What Google measured
At Google, a VR DEI training co-designed by PTR co-founder Leonie Sanderson and 13 Google DEI volunteers ran four scenarios, each experienced from two perspectives. The work appeared in a peer-reviewed paper at CHI 2024, co-authored by Google researchers and Sanderson. The opening cohort of Google security team staff reported 94% satisfaction, and all but one rated it better than Google’s standard DEI training.

Working in a broader workplace or enterprise setting?
Work in this sector
With Grit Leadership, PTR delivered VR training using the Everyday Inclusion module to Metro Trains head office and operational leaders; it surfaced systemic bias in recruiting and keeping women in roles such as train maintenance. With Utano Global, PTR ran a two-day VR training pilot for 36 Etihad Airways cabin crew. For Optus, PTR built an experience that supports a culture of belonging.


What clients say
Three clients on what changed in the room.
"I don't think role plays will ever cut it again in this space. Participants are able to empathise and discuss the experiences... with detail that just wouldn't be possible without actually experiencing it themselves."
"They jump back, step away, they gasp, they try to find their voice."
"Their approach was structured and transparent and they always let us know what was achievable given the timeframe and budget."
Why VR
Classroom-style diversity training has a credibility problem: Frank Dobbin and Alexandra Kalev found mandatory diversity training frequently produces no improvement, and sometimes a decline, in workplace diversity outcomes. That is why PTR builds experiential, embodied training. The Google case study reports satisfaction and a same-day comparison with Google’s standard training; wider VR research finds some bias reductions fade within days.
Online perspective-taking did not shift gender bias in a simulated hiring exercise. PLOS ONE, 2022
The same study found embodied VR perspective-taking produced a significant change in participants' hiring choices. PLOS ONE, 2022
"In a world where much of our learning has moved online, the human element is often lost. VR can help bridge this gap, allowing people to practice real-world interactions in a controlled, immersive environment."
Simon Lowe
CEO, People Tech Revolution. The Cusp of a Revolution, Global Best Practice Group, October 2024
The library
The feedback conversation, the upset customer, the concern raised for the practice run, the deadline that does not fit, being talked over, the exit interview and the return to an open-plan office. Each runs in a headset, or as a written or spoken practice partner at the desk.
The regulation
In Queensland, where PTR is based, a business has a duty to manage psychosocial risks. Section 55D does not instruct anyone to run a course; it asks what you had regard to, and lists workplace interactions and the training and supervision provided to workers. Redesigning the work comes ahead of training. When the risk lives in a conversation between two people, a control has to reach the conversation.
Your questions
The questions that come up early, answered in the words they get asked in.
On its own, yes, and we will say so in the room. Design the work ahead of it. This is for what is left once you have: the manager who still has to raise the concern, and the person who still has to hear it. That conversation is the control, and nobody has practised it.
Where you set it up that way, a record of what was rehearsed, by whom, and how often they came back to it, rather than an attendance sheet for a module. If anyone asks what you had regard to, that is a stronger answer than a completion rate.
Not for the rollout. The same conversation runs typed at the desk, or spoken out loud before the one to one, on the laptop the work is already on. The headset is the deepest version of the practice, for the teams and the moments that need it.
They stay on it. The conversation a manager is dreading tends to get rehearsed late, at their own desk, on the floor they will have to have it on. That is the moment this is built for.
The same rehearsal serves both, which is why this work has been bought under both headings. Google, Metro Trains, Etihad and Optus came to it through inclusion. A people or safety lead arrives at the same scenarios from the other direction, and practises the same conversations.
The desk
Most workplace conversations happen at a desk, not in a training suite. A written run takes ten minutes and no booking, on the laptop already open. Then it is said out loud to an empty floor, which is where a manager finds out which sentence they cannot say yet. Feedback read on a screen and feedback said to a face are different skills.
More moments
The rest of a working day has its own hard conversations: the click-and-collect counter, the pass on a Friday night, the induction of two new starters. Each is a scenario your staff can run before the shift.
Through the headset
Inside the headset the other person is in front of you, waiting for a reply. The retail customer, the team member up for review, the new starter alone in the staff kitchen: each one answers what your staff say, not what they meant to say.
Co-designed
A team leader rehearses a briefing in the office. A leader practises a reply at the table. A manager rehearses feedback in the meeting room. Each scenario was co-designed with the people who run it, in the room they run it in.
Working in a broader workplace or enterprise setting?
The two studies the evidence above draws on.

Dobbin and Kalev on why mandatory classroom diversity training so often produces no improvement.

The study behind the two cards above: online perspective-taking against embodied VR.
The rules behind this work
Psychosocial hazard duties, plus the two United States laws a multinational employer meets at the same time.
What a code asks of an employer, and where the hierarchy of controls puts training.
A written plan and annual training for almost every employer in the state, and the word the statute never uses.
Six topics including de-escalation tactics, annually or every two years depending on headcount.
The accreditor, the federal rules and the states, with what each one asks of a training program.
Leadership, inclusion and change programs built with global technology, transport, aviation and telecommunications organisations, so leaders practise the conversation before they have it.
The moment
A team leader at a telco has a probation conversation in the morning with someone she likes. She has read the policy twice and still does not know how to open. If it goes badly he leaves in the spring, HR asks what she said, and the rest of the team hears their own version of it.
What Google measured
At Google, a VR DEI training co-designed by PTR co-founder Leonie Sanderson and 13 Google DEI volunteers ran four scenarios, each experienced from two perspectives. The work appeared in a peer-reviewed paper at CHI 2024, co-authored by Google researchers and Sanderson. The opening cohort of Google security team staff reported 94% satisfaction, and all but one rated it better than Google’s standard DEI training.
Working in a broader workplace or enterprise setting?
Work in this sector
With Grit Leadership, PTR delivered VR training using the Everyday Inclusion module to Metro Trains head office and operational leaders; it surfaced systemic bias in recruiting and keeping women in roles such as train maintenance. With Utano Global, PTR ran a two-day VR training pilot for 36 Etihad Airways cabin crew. For Optus, PTR built an experience that supports a culture of belonging.
What clients say
Three clients on what changed in the room.
Why VR
Classroom-style diversity training has a credibility problem: Frank Dobbin and Alexandra Kalev found mandatory diversity training frequently produces no improvement, and sometimes a decline, in workplace diversity outcomes. That is why PTR builds experiential, embodied training. The Google case study reports satisfaction and a same-day comparison with Google’s standard training; wider VR research finds some bias reductions fade within days.
Online perspective-taking did not shift gender bias in a simulated hiring exercise. PLOS ONE, 2022
The same study found embodied VR perspective-taking produced a significant change in participants' hiring choices. PLOS ONE, 2022
"In a world where much of our learning has moved online, the human element is often lost. VR can help bridge this gap, allowing people to practice real-world interactions in a controlled, immersive environment."
Simon Lowe
CEO, People Tech Revolution. The Cusp of a Revolution, Global Best Practice Group, October 2024
The library
The feedback conversation, the upset customer, the concern raised for the practice run, the deadline that does not fit, being talked over, the exit interview and the return to an open-plan office. Each runs in a headset, or as a written or spoken practice partner at the desk.
The regulation
In Queensland, where PTR is based, a business has a duty to manage psychosocial risks. Section 55D does not instruct anyone to run a course; it asks what you had regard to, and lists workplace interactions and the training and supervision provided to workers. Redesigning the work comes ahead of training. When the risk lives in a conversation between two people, a control has to reach the conversation.
Your questions
The questions that come up early, answered in the words they get asked in.
On its own, yes, and we will say so in the room. Design the work ahead of it. This is for what is left once you have: the manager who still has to raise the concern, and the person who still has to hear it. That conversation is the control, and nobody has practised it.
Where you set it up that way, a record of what was rehearsed, by whom, and how often they came back to it, rather than an attendance sheet for a module. If anyone asks what you had regard to, that is a stronger answer than a completion rate.
Not for the rollout. The same conversation runs typed at the desk, or spoken out loud before the one to one, on the laptop the work is already on. The headset is the deepest version of the practice, for the teams and the moments that need it.
They stay on it. The conversation a manager is dreading tends to get rehearsed late, at their own desk, on the floor they will have to have it on. That is the moment this is built for.
The same rehearsal serves both, which is why this work has been bought under both headings. Google, Metro Trains, Etihad and Optus came to it through inclusion. A people or safety lead arrives at the same scenarios from the other direction, and practises the same conversations.
The desk
Most workplace conversations happen at a desk, not in a training suite. A written run takes ten minutes and no booking, on the laptop already open. Then it is said out loud to an empty floor, which is where a manager finds out which sentence they cannot say yet. Feedback read on a screen and feedback said to a face are different skills.
More moments
The rest of a working day has its own hard conversations: the click-and-collect counter, the pass on a Friday night, the induction of two new starters. Each is a scenario your staff can run before the shift.
Through the headset
Inside the headset the other person is in front of you, waiting for a reply. The retail customer, the team member up for review, the new starter alone in the staff kitchen: each one answers what your staff say, not what they meant to say.
Co-designed
A team leader rehearses a briefing in the office. A leader practises a reply at the table. A manager rehearses feedback in the meeting room. Each scenario was co-designed with the people who run it, in the room they run it in.
Working in a broader workplace or enterprise setting?
The two studies the evidence above draws on.

Dobbin and Kalev on why mandatory classroom diversity training so often produces no improvement.

The study behind the two cards above: online perspective-taking against embodied VR.
The rules behind this work
Psychosocial hazard duties, plus the two United States laws a multinational employer meets at the same time.
What a code asks of an employer, and where the hierarchy of controls puts training.
A written plan and annual training for almost every employer in the state, and the word the statute never uses.
Six topics including de-escalation tactics, annually or every two years depending on headcount.
The accreditor, the federal rules and the states, with what each one asks of a training program.